Higher error in certain groups?

Peggy Zuckerman peggyzuckerman at GMAIL.COM
Mon Sep 29 17:08:36 UTC 2014


Since there is no way for most patients to track the medical errors which
occur in their care, and little desire to do so.  There are many reasons
for patients not to complain about this, often because they must continue
to be treated by those same providers.  Not as easy as never returning to
the restaurant who burnt your dinner (and then spat on the new meal), but
with far more serious consequences.

There is no way to track the endless anecdotes which reflect the range of
errors that are seen by the patient, and those many others hidden from
view.  The tragedies which make the news are the tip of the iceberg.  The
failure to deal promptly with the most egregious of cases, as emerge far
too often in the popular press, discourages any such reporting.  In 2009, a
newly hired nurse in a Michigan oncology office became aware that healthy
patients were being given chemo drugs, reported it immediately upon leaving
the office. Two years later, nothing had been done to stop it, patients had
been made ill, the doctor enriched, and Medicare defrauded.  How confident
would a patient be to report an error in care in a less dangerous incident?

Peggy Z

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Robert Bell <rmsbell at esedona.net> wrote:

> Excellent point Ed,
>
> That too may be part of it. But do we not first need the facts?
>
> Perhaps religious leaders (priests, rabbis, imans, etc.) have a higher, or
> even lower error rate?
>
> Rob Bell, M.D.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:07 PM, "Hoffer, Edward P.,M.D." <
> EHOFFER at MGH.HARVARD.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Anecdotes abound - doctors and nurses caring for health care
> professionals, particularly those they know and/or who work at their
> institution, often cut corners or avoid unpleasant procedures. While this
> is intended as kindness, it often means appropriate care is withheld.
> >
> > Whether anecdotes truly reflect reality, I have no way of knowing.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Edward P Hoffer MD, FACP
> >
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> > Robert,
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> > That is an interesting idea. How would it work?
> >
> > I suspect that HCPs are simply more likely to detect errors than less
> (health-care-) educated patients. I'd be interested in data, though, or a
> plan to gather the evidence.
> >
> > Terry Graedon, PhD
> > The People's Pharmacy
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> > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:46 PM, Robert Bell <rmsbell at ESEDONA.NET> wrote:
> >
> >> I have the idea that HCPs, particularly physicians, are more like to be
> exposed to errors in medicine when they are patients.
> >>
> >> Is there any truth to this and, also are there other groups of patients
> that are more likely to be involved in errors when patients?
> >>
> >> Rob Bell, M.D.
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