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Stephen I. Lane Stevelane at LANE-LANE.COM
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Lenny: As usual, I can't argue with you!

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From: Leonard Berlin [mailto:lberlin at LIVE.COM]
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Steve,

I agree with you, but I would strengthen your comment much more  as follow:

"It seems that clicking computer keys has been given priority over both clarity in writing and  clarity in thinking, and that's bad for both providers and patients."

Lenny


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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:05:56 +0000
From: Stevelane at LANE-LANE.COM<mailto:Stevelane at LANE-LANE.COM>
Subject: Re: [IMPROVEDX] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] [IMPROVEDX] Hello
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from  my perspective, the EMR charts I've seen do little good beyond making the entries legible. I see plenty of bad...cookie-cutter, cut and paste repetition, drop-down menu selection entries. It seems that clarity in writing has been given priority over clarity in thinking, and that's bad for both providers and patients.

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On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Grubenhoff, Joe <Joe.Grubenhoff at CHILDRENSCOLORADO.ORG<mailto:Joe.Grubenhoff at childrenscolorado.org>> wrote:
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. I don't think the EMR has done anything to help the formulaic completion of the H&P. I wonder how much it derails our thinking (or worse, suspends our thinking) as we approach a patient's health problem. I see many of my colleagues focusing on how quickly they can complete their documentation and with the fewest keystrokes. It reduces the patient story to a an impressionistic painting or abstract art rather than the rich tapestry it should be. It robs us of the ability to digest their story into an illness script that focuses our thought processes.

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From: Elham Yousef [mailto:yousefe at CCF.ORG]
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Dear listserv and SIDM members, Good Morning.

I am a new member with the SIDM and of course the listerv.
I just recently started to have an access to the listserv, and as I am trying to understand the dynamics of this communication and sharing thoughts and giving feedback, I figured it would be a good idea to introduce myself to all of you.

My name is Elham Yousef , I am a staff hospitalist at Cleveland clinic foundation, main campus. I share the same passion as all of you - to make diagnosis safe , accurate and timely for our patients. they put their trust and confidence in us and we have no choice but to be up to the level of trust.

I agree that the challenges are huge,  complicated , and deep rooted, but I believe the most imported step is to figure out how we got there in the first place and then figure out why ???

being an Egyptian native, studying medicine their was very fascinating, medical school is 6 1/2 years right after high school , followed by one year as a house officer and after completing the 7 1/2 years we obtain our medical degree, after that we go for 3 years of residency and the rest is just like here in US.

what made studying medicine very fascinating in Egypt, is that- because it's a 3rd world country, majority of people are uninsured, dysfunctional health care system and corrupted government- the main focus was how to "make" physicians who are capable of making accurate diagnosis by taking a very comprehensive history, perform comprehensive physical examination and create an accurate differential diagnosis with the least possible resources ( labs, images, procedures) because patients will have to pay for all diagnostic work up,  with a very high poverty rate , telling a patient that " good news your CT was normal will make him/her ask you why did you need to order it in the first place, i had to borrow the money for that'- which was absolutely not acceptable.

I think because we were all economically oriented of the social status of the majority of our patients, we invested our time, effort on physical examination, differential diagnoses, critical thinking and clinical reasoning more than any thing.

After moving to America 15 years ago, and going through another residency, I started to learn/ study a completely different medicine. H&P became just a template , we complete it for the purpose of documentation, ordering work up and reviewing it even before talking the  patient was the normal and I have to say that this was my " true medical cultural shock", 15 years later I still can't get over that shock !!

Of course I understand to some extent why it is like this here and why it is like that in Egypt. I am not saying that Egypt is the best or US is the worse, absolutely not , that's not my point but because I have the privilege of being part of 2 different medical cultures, I just can't help it but to compare with a goal of trying to get the best out of those 2 cultures and this makes me very fortunate.

I think we lost track of the true purpose of H&P, the true indication for diagnostic work up, what it means to be a critical thinker, we lost track of the true medicine and what it mean to be a good doctor.


SIDM is all about putting us back on the right track, do what is right for our patient, see them as human, treat them as human, talk to them as human, engage them as human, respect them as human because they are human who just happened to be patients.

In Egypt, they used to call the doctor " Hakeem" which mean the " wise man" and this is what we need now, to become " hakeem ( male)  and hakeema ( female).

Thank you all for your time.

Thank you for accepting me as new member and for giving me such an honor to make a difference.

Elham


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