In Search of a Common Definition of Dx Error
nichollsvi2 at GMAIL.COM
Fri May 6 17:36:23 UTC 2016
List members another something for you to consider when we talk about
I submit that it isn't just deaths we need to look at. In my case
multiple records mistakes are made (for starters). Everyone gets into a
huff & deny/defend when I ask to fix them. I've yet to sue any one, not
threatening lawyers either. I'm saying fix this in a way that doctors
who are doing my treatment forward can make the best decisions/judgement
on my care. Work together as a team.
How are we going to help other doctors when they have to wade through
screens/pages of stuff that isn't true or they don't know what is and
what isn't? Either they get wrong assumptions or have to start from
WHY are doctors doing this to each other (much less patients)? Why hurt
your own?? Surgeons eat their own and look where it got them. :)
Seriously, the attitude of deny/defend and hide only makes things worse.
Why? Because the mistakes are pretty obvious and the attitude towards
fixing them, to listening to the patient, only gives the medical
profession a worse black in the eye. If you think, like I do, admin are
stiffing you in the back in many ways, this is another way they help to
fuel major distrust in doctors AND the system. That means doctors who
are in this list (and others I know) who are trying to figure out
how/what/when/why for errors. When I say the system, it is doctors who
are the face of it.
And yes, I've told admin to get front and center for their mistakes, and
they copped out. Every time. Don't think we don't know some of your pain.
Consider that we could have the health care profession and patients
working together, who would be a more efficient, cost cutting, and you'd
get the better reputation for dealing with the problems, without all
that (overbloating, $$$$ wasting IMO) admin.
On 5/6/2016 10:55 AM, Leonard Berlin wrote:
> Over the past several days I have enjoyed reading the long list of
> commentaries submitted by very bright and caring physicians.
> medical-associated people, and researchers, on the subject of the
> frequency of medical errors and their role in causing death of
> patients. This has led me to conclude the following undeniable
> _*NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY MEDICAL ERRORS ARE COMMITTED, AND NOBODY KNOWS
> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE KILLED BY MEDICAL ERRORS!*_
> The articles by Makary and others that calculate numbers related to
> medical errors and patient injury _are nothing more than statistical
> projections, extrapolations, estimates, and conjectures. _
> Makary, Johns Hopkins, and the BMJ got great international headlines
> by "estimating" that 251,454 patients die of medical mistakes
> annually. Needless to say, the word "estimating" doesn't appear very
> much, if at all, in the headlines and limited text proclaimed in
> newspaper and TV news reports.
> Today, physicians in all specialties are presumably practicing
> When it comes to medical errors, there is no "evidence!"
> Yes, focusing attention on medical errors is certainly productive, and
> indeed encourages all of us to improve medical care safety and reduce
> errors. And clearly, supporting organizations such as SIDM is a step
> in the right direction.
> We should be transparent to the public, but frightening everyone and
> causing them to lose confidence in their physicians is
> counterproductive. Our message to the public should be an honest one:
> MEDICAL ERRORS DO OCCUR, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW, AND WILL NEVER KNOW, HOW
> MANY PATIENTS DIE DUE TO A MEDICAL ERROR; HOWEVER, WE ARE WORKING ON
> WAYS TO REDUCE THEM.
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