Medical Error stats

Edita Falco edita.falco at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jul 6 20:07:23 UTC 2016


TO JOE
A REFERENCE IS  FOUND IN AN ARTICLE IN 1974..
do not add it as a recent data.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Edita Falco <edita.falco at gmail.com> wrote:

> to Joe
> do you mean that unnecesary surgeries killed 12000 people? or that  there
> are 12000  unnecesarysurgeries? please send a reference
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Joe's New Gmail <jgraedon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> We have been fascinated with the push back from the medical community.
>> Shooting the messenger is a time-honored tradition. Admitting that there is
>> a patient safety epidemic is a very hard thing to do.
>>
>> There is another way to assess health care harm. If one considers data
>> that has been collected from other sources this is what you discover:
>>
>> DEATHS ANNUALLY:
>>
>> Healthcare-associated infections: 75,000 (CDC data)
>>
>> Adverse drug reactions:
>> >100,000 (FDA)
>>
>> Misdiagnosis:
>> 40,000 to 80,000 (Pronovost, et al)
>>
>> C diff infections in nursing homes:
>> 16,599 (CDC)
>>
>> Excessive radiation CT scans:
>> 29,500 (JAMA Int. Med.)
>>
>> Unnecessary surgery:
>> 12,000 (JAMA)
>>
>> DVT/PE:
>> 119,000 (Cleveland Clinic) mostly occur in healthcare settings
>>
>> Surgical and post-op complications:
>> 32,591 (JAMA)
>>
>> There is some overlap, but when you consider most of these stats do not
>> include the outpatient setting I would argue that Makary's estimate is low!
>> Deaths from prescribed medications in the outpatient setting have been
>> estimated to be as high as 200,000 but no one really tracks them.
>>
>> Bottom line, how do we begin to fix a problem that remains out of sight
>> (not on the CDC mortality stats) and out of mind?
>>
>> Joe Graedon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:51 AM, David Katz <d.katz at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA
>> <d.katz at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Martine,
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree with your point. Nobody on this forum disagrees about the
>> importance of diagnostic errors, however, this paper was all about the
>> numbers. If an article about statistics and numbers is published in a
>> peer-reviewed scientific journal, like BMJ, then the numbers are extremely
>> important.
>>
>> I don’t disagree the issue is important regardless of the stats. As a
>> physician I am mortified that one mistake could lead to a single patient
>> death but the purpose of this paper was to comment on the stats and
>> therefore they must be held to the rigorous expectations of a
>> well-respected scientific journal.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *martineehrenclou <mge at martineehrenclou.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 12:10 AM
>> *To: *Society to Improve Diagnosis in Medicine <
>> IMPROVEDX at LIST.IMPROVEDIAGNOSIS.ORG <IMPROVEDX at list.improvediagnosis.org>>,
>> David Katz <d.katz at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> *Subject: *Re: Medical Error stats
>>
>>
>>
>> Worth the read but worth discarding as well.  Makery doesn't have to
>> publish his own study to justify the number of medical errors that end in
>> death.  It's certainly credible to cite other studies.
>>
>> I don't doubt that certain clinicians need to doubt medical error as the
>> third leading cause of death.  Even if it is the fifth, it's still too
>> much.  There is no way to eradicate the damaging stats given workplace
>> stress, short staffing, the unreliability of diagnosis, medication errors,
>> and more.
>>
>> All you have do is become a hospitalized patient yourself to realize the
>> number of medical errors that occur every day.  Try becoming a caregiver
>> for a patient with a serious illness or chronic medical condition, and
>> you'll wake up to the number of diagnostic errors, medication errors,
>> patient safety incidents in hospitals and ambulatory settings.  Until
>> you've been there it's too easy to dismiss.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martine Ehrenclou, M.A
>>
>> Healthcare consultant
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:06 PM, David Katz <d.katz at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA
>> <d.katz at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure if this has been circulated to the group yet but it is a
>> rebuttal to the BMJ Paper that claims medical error is the 3rd leading
>> cause of death.
>>
>> Definitely worth a read.
>>
>> http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139/rr-54
>>
>>
>>
>> David Katz
>>
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