both sides of the coin was Re: [IMPROVEDX] Doctor lectures Valley health professionals on dangers of errors

Edita Falco edita.falco at GMAIL.COM
Wed May 17 21:41:09 UTC 2017


Excelent  point Dr Zuckerman!!!

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Peggy Zuckerman <peggyzuckerman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The unaddressed issue in every medical encounter is the uncertainty that
> exists. There have been and will continue to be wondrous gains in the
> medical world that benefit us all.  But, the diagnosis and treatment of the
> billions of different people, under multiple circumstances, and in the
> dynamic changing individual body newly paired with a treatment of any kind
> is a task that exemplifies uncertainty.
>
> A clear(!) recognition of uncertainty, both in the medical world and the
> individual's world would go a long way to create an atmosphere of
> partnership.The notion that the doctor knows all, and that medicine is
> infallible, has been costly to everyone.  The patient who comes to realize
> that this is not true feels betrayed, which exacerbates the situation.
>
> When we can comfortably discuss the uncertainty of the diagnosis, of the
> treatment options, of the variables that the patient has, then we can begin
> to make progress towards the 'best possible' outcomes.  The human and
> financial losses that occur cannot be tolerated.  This requires the right
> of the patients to partner in every medical interaction to the fullest
> extent is the basis for the fix of healthcare.
>
> Peggy Zuckerman
>
> Peggy Zuckerman
> www.peggyRCC.com
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Vic Nicholls <nichollsvi2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom I say this because health care is expensive. Its not like 100 years
>> or more ago when people did home remedies and death was simply a part of
>> life. We frankly have to admit the hard fact: the US cannot support paying
>> for all the health care of people. Hard decisions have to be made. Gotta
>> draw the line, and vaccination is a perfect example.
>>
>> In addition, do you know the Somali reaction to the anti vaxxers? They
>> were mad. They realized they got taken advantage of. They realized that
>> doctors can be trusted.
>>
>> So sad. It didn't have to happen. It can be stopped.
>>
>> I am a harmed patient in more ways than one. Yet I want doctors to own up
>> and fix mistakes. You don't do yourselves as a profession any good when
>> people realize mistakes were made because that's why they won't trust you
>> for anything. I don't want people to throw the baby (doc) out with the
>> bathwater (all medical info/research). That's what I've seen a lot of them
>> do: every sort of woo they'll hold onto because of harm from the/one
>> medical establishment. It grows into the massive disaster that is anti
>> vaccination, autism causes, etc.
>>
>> It starts by saying we are adult enough, as Tom put below, to stand up
>> for our mistakes and show others how to react.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>> On 5/17/2017 9:10 AM, Tom Benzoni wrote:
>>
>> Maybe getting a bit tangential, but Vic brings up an interesting
>> question.
>>
>> One feature that differentiates adults from children in a major way is
>> taking responsibility for one's own choices (and conversely, not taking
>> responsibility for other's choices, but that's a topic for another day.)
>>
>> Rather simple solution: If a person, family or group opts out of
>> vaccination (not true medical exemption) they could post a bond. An actuary
>> could price this out; we can with carbon credits. This bond could be posted
>> by the entity proposing (in the way an employer bonds her employees) or
>> bought a la carte. This would give an air of legitimacy to the anti-vaxxers
>> I think they'd welcome. Don't drink from a trough you don't help fill.
>>
>> tom
>>
>>
>>
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