both sides of the coin was Re: [IMPROVEDX] Doctor lectures Valley health professionals on dangers of errors

HM Epstein hmepstein at GMAIL.COM
Thu May 18 04:23:22 UTC 2017


What a wonderful idea! I've had doctors return calls but not initiate them. I find the staff members usually call after a procedure or surgery. And for many practices, not even that. I agree doing so helps avoid missed or wrong or delayed diagnoses. It would be ideal if Medicare would reimburse for these calls. Seniors, especially those over 70, would benefit greatly from a second chance to ask questions or share symptoms they may have forgotten when they were in the office. 
Best,
Helene

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On May 17, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Margaret Aranda <0000000e28766174-dmarc-request at LIST.IMPROVEDIAGNOSIS.ORG> wrote:

I love the practice of calling the patient after a visit, to continue efforts to seek a diagnosis. Every patient that I know would absolutely love a phone call to this effect, and any doctor who makes such a telling phone call is highly esteemed and trusted.

I love this conversation.
 
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On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:36 PM, "Tommaso MD, Laura" <ltommaso at NCH.ORG> wrote:



I have found in my primary care practice, calling a patient and admitting a mistake, telling a patient that I have no idea what you have but I'm not going to give up on trying, calling them after the visit saying I thought of something else we should try that didn't occur to me at the time... Almost ALWAYS earns greater respect and trust from the patient. I practice this (it is hard at first but gets easier)-and mentor my medical students to do the same. 

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM -0500, "Koppel, Ross J" <rkoppel at SAS.UPENN.EDU> wrote:

Peggy

Your statement should be posted in front of every physician's room and every hospital.  

But don't hold your breath.

Ross

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From: Peggy Zuckerman <peggyzuckerman at GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:15 PM
To: IMPROVEDX at LIST.IMPROVEDIAGNOSIS.ORG
Subject: Re: [IMPROVEDX] both sides of the coin was Re: [IMPROVEDX] Doctor lectures Valley health professionals on dangers of errors
 
The unaddressed issue in every medical encounter is the uncertainty that exists. There have been and will continue to be wondrous gains in the medical world that benefit us all.  But, the diagnosis and treatment of the billions of different people, under multiple circumstances, and in the dynamic changing individual body newly paired with a treatment of any kind is a task that exemplifies uncertainty.

A clear(!) recognition of uncertainty, both in the medical world and the individual's world would go a long way to create an atmosphere of partnership.The notion that the doctor knows all, and that medicine is infallible, has been costly to everyone.  The patient who comes to realize that this is not true feels betrayed, which exacerbates the situation.

When we can comfortably discuss the uncertainty of the diagnosis, of the treatment options, of the variables that the patient has, then we can begin to make progress towards the 'best possible' outcomes.  The human and financial losses that occur cannot be tolerated.  This requires the right of the patients to partner in every medical interaction to the fullest extent is the basis for the fix of healthcare.

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Vic Nicholls <nichollsvi2 at gmail.com> wrote:
Tom I say this because health care is expensive. Its not like 100 years or more ago when people did home remedies and death was simply a part of life. We frankly have to admit the hard fact: the US cannot support paying for all the health care of people. Hard decisions have to be made. Gotta draw the line, and vaccination is a perfect example. 

In addition, do you know the Somali reaction to the anti vaxxers? They were mad. They realized they got taken advantage of. They realized that doctors can be trusted. 

So sad. It didn't have to happen. It can be stopped. 

I am a harmed patient in more ways than one. Yet I want doctors to own up and fix mistakes. You don't do yourselves as a profession any good when people realize mistakes were made because that's why they won't trust you for anything. I don't want people to throw the baby (doc) out with the bathwater (all medical info/research). That's what I've seen a lot of them do: every sort of woo they'll hold onto because of harm from the/one medical establishment. It grows into the massive disaster that is anti vaccination, autism causes, etc. 

It starts by saying we are adult enough, as Tom put below, to stand up for our mistakes and show others how to react. 

Vic 

> On 5/17/2017 9:10 AM, Tom Benzoni wrote:
> Maybe getting a bit tangential, but Vic brings up an interesting question.
> 
> One feature that differentiates adults from children in a major way is taking responsibility for one's own choices (and conversely, not taking responsibility for other's choices, but that's a topic for another day.)
> 
> Rather simple solution: If a person, family or group opts out of vaccination (not true medical exemption) they could post a bond. An actuary could price this out; we can with carbon credits. This bond could be posted by the entity proposing (in the way an employer bonds her employees) or bought a la carte. This would give an air of legitimacy to the anti-vaxxers I think they'd welcome. Don't drink from a trough you don't help fill.
> 
> tom
> 



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