Tech Can Turn Doctors into Clerical Workers

Edward Hoffer ehoffer at GMAIL.COM
Sun May 20 17:55:08 UTC 2018


This term explains the mind-set of the health insurance industry.  Money
which they take in from subscribers to cover their health care which the
insurers pay out to hospitals and doctors is a "loss" rather than their
raison d'etre.
SINGLE PAYER!
Ed

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Tom Benzoni <benzonit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Purely FYI:
> Overhead for commercial insurers = 20%
> "This is commonly called "Medical Loss ratio."
> To read more, search "Medical Loss Ratio" which is interesting.
> What other business has a guaranteed overhead?
> And considering this is insurance, that is double ironic.
>
> And the topic is old!
> See https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198010233031703 on
> medical-industrial complex; note the date: 1980.
>
> tom
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:56 AM Art Papier <apapier at visualdx.com> wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> Good question.  Are you sure the “electorate is not ready for a single
>> payer system”?  or could it be that the pharmaceutical industry,
>> hospitals, nursing homes, HCPs, etc do not want a single payer system and
>> work their hardest to create a perception the public is not ready for a
>> single payer system?  Polling data shows the public likes Medicare (“*
>> More than seven in 10 suburban residents say they favor cutting federal
>> spending in general. But when you get specific, 87 percent oppose cutting
>> Social Security and Medicare benefits. And 65 percent support
>> *increasing* government spending on infrastructure and public works
>> projects”. https://www.hofstra.edu/pdf/academics/css/ncss_2012_
>> ncsspoll.pdf)
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps we should push for Medicare beginning at age 50. And then slowly
>> move to Medicare for all.  My answer to your question is for all fact and
>> truth based people to work towards electing a congress and senate that will
>> make rational, data driven decisions……  OK so maybe that is delusional to
>> think that might happen……  Medicare has an overhead of 3%, many  estimate
>> private insurers have an overhead of 15%.  This article cites a saving of
>> $350 billion yearly by changing the way we finance healthcare in the US.
>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4283267/
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ROBERT M BELL <rmsbell200 at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:59 PM
>> *To:* IMPROVEDX at LIST.IMPROVEDIAGNOSIS.ORG; Art Papier <
>> apapier at visualdx.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [IMPROVEDX] Tech Can Turn Doctors into Clerical Workers
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, Art, rid us of Fee for Service and all the expensive bureaucracy
>> that goes with.
>>
>>
>>
>> But if the pharmaceutical industry, hospitals, nursing homes, HCPs, etc.
>> all make fair to good money and the electorate is not ready for a single
>> payer system, how do we put patients back into the the front row seats?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Art Papier <apapier at VISUALDX.COM> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> First step is to rid ourselves of fee for service medicine and then the
>> EHR will begin to improve.
>>
>>
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